Comments on: On Building in the Settlements and the “Roadmap” http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/ Political blog of the Consulate General of Israel in New York Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:18:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Mike Stanislaus http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-91930 Mike Stanislaus Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:22:10 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-91930 What I really can't understand is why any country would want to build settlements in such fiercely contested areas to begin with, especially when there is so much other available land to build on within the existing borders. I most certainly would never build a house and move my family into a place that was subject to being blown up by the neighbors. That's just crazy. What I really can’t understand is why any country would want to build settlements in such fiercely contested areas to begin with, especially when there is so much other available land to build on within the existing borders.

I most certainly would never build a house and move my family into a place that was subject to being blown up by the neighbors. That’s just crazy.

]]> By: Shirley http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-83732 Shirley Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:47:12 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-83732 This article is self-contradictory. It affirms that there was a previous agreement between the US and Israel that the settlements could justifiably undergo natural growth. What good would reaffirming committment to the roadmap do, if America won't recognize this agreement? Israel can't affirm a roadmap that is different than what they originally agreed to. This is the thanks Israel gets for withdrawing from the Gaza strip and getting thousands of rockets rained down on them as a result. This would not have been done if the understandings in the US were not in place. This article is self-contradictory. It affirms that there was a previous agreement between the US and Israel that the settlements could justifiably undergo natural growth. What good would reaffirming committment to the roadmap do, if America won’t recognize this agreement? Israel can’t affirm a roadmap that is different than what they originally agreed to. This is the thanks Israel gets for withdrawing from the Gaza strip and getting thousands of rockets rained down on them as a result. This would not have been done if the understandings in the US were not in place.

]]> By: DE Teodoru http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-83637 DE Teodoru Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:54:24 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-83637 There is a freightening presumption in Mr. Weissglass-- and given the people he had dealt with on the American side one cannot deny that there was merit to his Bush era impression-- that Israel deals with "dumb goyim" in negotiating the peace process. As for Europe, there is that pejorative common among Likudniks of "Eurabia," an assumption that Europeans are dominated by Arabs because of their inherent "anti-Semitism." The fact is that Israel suffered from its East Euro roots and under Sharon had wedged itself into an absurd psychotic: we're going to all be killed so lets kill them all first position (the kind that would make Israel the first to use nuclear weapons in panic). Epidemiologically, we are gravely alarmed by a bacteria's "natural expansion" and the expansion of EMPTY housing as ghost "facts on the ground" at US taxpayers' expense is as pathologic. Perhaps Israel will regain its dignity by stepping out of the East Euro psychosis of doom and gloom in which it finds itself and realize that a finiancially BROKE America will be prone to severely punish obfuscation on what is to be done with application of Weissglass hasbara. Better still is Netanyahu's plan to economically integrate the Palestinian economy with that of Israel before going on to the political dissociation-- ending as two states, one economy. That could start a separation into two small and non-viable states but saved by a common economy-- which would surely be a model for a future integration of Israel into the Middle East. Only Israel's lead in sci/tech modernization of the Arabs and its nuclear deterrence umbrella against Iran can save the Arab states from their banana republic type one crop (oil) economies. Then young educated sabras will not longer bleed away to Los Angeles in a reverse aliyah, remaining in the region to modernize the common Semitic family. There is a freightening presumption in Mr. Weissglass– and given the people he had dealt with on the American side one cannot deny that there was merit to his Bush era impression– that Israel deals with “dumb goyim” in negotiating the peace process. As for Europe, there is that pejorative common among Likudniks of “Eurabia,” an assumption that Europeans are dominated by Arabs because of their inherent “anti-Semitism.” The fact is that Israel suffered from its East Euro roots and under Sharon had wedged itself into an absurd psychotic: we’re going to all be killed so lets kill them all first position (the kind that would make Israel the first to use nuclear weapons in panic). Epidemiologically, we are gravely alarmed by a bacteria’s “natural expansion” and the expansion of EMPTY housing as ghost “facts on the ground” at US taxpayers’ expense is as pathologic. Perhaps Israel will regain its dignity by stepping out of the East Euro psychosis of doom and gloom in which it finds itself and realize that a finiancially BROKE America will be prone to severely punish obfuscation on what is to be done with application of Weissglass hasbara. Better still is Netanyahu’s plan to economically integrate the Palestinian economy with that of Israel before going on to the political dissociation– ending as two states, one economy. That could start a separation into two small and non-viable states but saved by a common economy– which would surely be a model for a future integration of Israel into the Middle East. Only Israel’s lead in sci/tech modernization of the Arabs and its nuclear deterrence umbrella against Iran can save the Arab states from their banana republic type one crop (oil) economies. Then young educated sabras will not longer bleed away to Los Angeles in a reverse aliyah, remaining in the region to modernize the common Semitic family.

]]> By: 1 Boring Old Man » don’t worry Israel, “they lied to us too”… http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-83632 1 Boring Old Man » don’t worry Israel, “they lied to us too”… Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:59:52 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-83632 [...] Weissglas detailed this week in an opinion article for the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot some of the talks, though he noted that "the Americans completely denied the existence of such [...] [...] Weissglas detailed this week in an opinion article for the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot some of the talks, though he noted that "the Americans completely denied the existence of such [...]

]]> By: Mitchell due in Israel today - Netanyahu announces big speech coming this week | UN-Truth http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-83624 Mitchell due in Israel today - Netanyahu announces big speech coming this week | UN-Truth Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:02:51 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-83624 [...] In a recent Op-Ed published on 2 June in the largest Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, the former Chief of Staff when Ariel Sharon was Prime Mînister, Dov Weisglass, wrote that Israel’s clear acceptance of the Road Map paved the way for unopposed Israeli settlement activities (with only a few conditions…): “The Israeli government has, for some reason, raised doubts about its intentions to implement the Road Map. Consequently, one can understand the American position that, once Israel has abrogated its commitments under the Road Map, Israel can no longer demand ‘rights’ under the Road Map to build within the construction line. The sooner Israel reiterates its commitment to the Road Map the sooner the disagreement with the administration will be resolved. Israel can proceed to delineate the settlements, as formerly agreed, and can justifiably realize its right to build within their perimeters. Reaffirming Israel’s commitments to the Road Map is important not only for the settlement issue but also for preventing the emergence of other peace plans that undermine the Road Map’s logic, namely, that security must first be established before peace. If, God forbid, the new administration would champion such a plan, Israel could remind the current president that his predecessor recently committed to prevent it. President would be pitched against president, and the world will have to decide which had the greater credibility”. This translation of the Weisglass OpEd can be read in full here. [...] [...] In a recent Op-Ed published on 2 June in the largest Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, the former Chief of Staff when Ariel Sharon was Prime Mînister, Dov Weisglass, wrote that Israel’s clear acceptance of the Road Map paved the way for unopposed Israeli settlement activities (with only a few conditions…): “The Israeli government has, for some reason, raised doubts about its intentions to implement the Road Map. Consequently, one can understand the American position that, once Israel has abrogated its commitments under the Road Map, Israel can no longer demand ‘rights’ under the Road Map to build within the construction line. The sooner Israel reiterates its commitment to the Road Map the sooner the disagreement with the administration will be resolved. Israel can proceed to delineate the settlements, as formerly agreed, and can justifiably realize its right to build within their perimeters. Reaffirming Israel’s commitments to the Road Map is important not only for the settlement issue but also for preventing the emergence of other peace plans that undermine the Road Map’s logic, namely, that security must first be established before peace. If, God forbid, the new administration would champion such a plan, Israel could remind the current president that his predecessor recently committed to prevent it. President would be pitched against president, and the world will have to decide which had the greater credibility”. This translation of the Weisglass OpEd can be read in full here. [...]

]]> By: Obama tvingar Israel i armarna på Ryssland | Israel i Sverige http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-83450 Obama tvingar Israel i armarna på Ryssland | Israel i Sverige Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:46:57 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-83450 [...] som skett mellan USA och Israel, och har inte det blekaste intresse av att ta reda på det heller. En artikel som berättar om vad Israel har lovar och USA i gengäld har lovat, kan läsas på denna .... Den slutar med: Reaffirming Israel’s commitments to the Road Map is important not only for the [...] [...] som skett mellan USA och Israel, och har inte det blekaste intresse av att ta reda på det heller. En artikel som berättar om vad Israel har lovar och USA i gengäld har lovat, kan läsas på denna …. Den slutar med: Reaffirming Israel’s commitments to the Road Map is important not only for the [...]

]]> By: wstander http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-83423 wstander Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:13:21 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-83423 If, God forbid, the new administration would champion such a plan, Israel could remind the current president that his predecessor recently committed to prevent it. President would be pitched against president, and the world will have to decide which had the greater credibility. Well, that should take about one tenth of a second, and I wouldn't be betting on Bush. If, God forbid, the new administration would champion such a plan, Israel could remind the current president that his predecessor recently committed to prevent it. President would be pitched against president, and the world will have to decide which had the greater credibility.

Well, that should take about one tenth of a second, and I wouldn’t be betting on Bush.

]]> By: Rick http://www.israelpolitik.org/2009/06/03/on-building-in-the-settlements-and-the-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comment-83420 Rick Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:09:09 +0000 http://www.israelpolitik.org/?p=1075#comment-83420 You can't be serious. If one party says there is an agreement and the other disagrees, then there obviously is no agreement. Think also how badly you look over here in the U.S. You claim that you made a secret deal with the Bush administration and then lied about it afterwords. So, are you lying now, or were you lying then? Neither answer puts you in a very good light. In either case, why should Obama feel bound by such a dishonest and sleazy act? You can’t be serious. If one party says there is an agreement and the other disagrees, then there obviously is no agreement.

Think also how badly you look over here in the U.S. You claim that you made a secret deal with the Bush administration and then lied about it afterwords. So, are you lying now, or were you lying then? Neither answer puts you in a very good light. In either case, why should Obama feel bound by such a dishonest and sleazy act?

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